Currently Reading: Crossan and Goldberg

Having finished Melville’s classic “big fish” tale, I steer back to starboard and continue my tour thru ancient Mesopotamia, Greece and Palestine both historically and archaeologically, as well as biblically as John Dominic Crossan reviews the evidence and historicity for Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles.

As I said in a post before, I have a similar volume by said author and scholar on The Historicity of Jesus that I read last year, but I also have an examination by Crossan on The Birth of Christianity on my shelf that I plan to read later on. Most probably not until the first part of 2020.

The other book I just started is Jonah Goldberg’s fascinating march thru the history of American Progressivism and what he considers Liberal Fascism as the “daughter” of not only earlier WW1 and WW2 era Leftist/Socialist fascism but also a Grand Daughter of the totalitarian and philosophical French Revolution of the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I do tend to lean more politically Libertarian and conservative, what most historians and students of American history would call “classical liberalism”. From the first few pages in the book, having already and only so far read the introduction, it would seem both “liberal” and “conservative” labels have been given a bad rap and misapplied definitions over the decades and even the centuries.

I’m excited to get into the real meat of Goldberg’s book once I’ve finished with Crossan’s In Search of Paul. Why not tell me what you’re reading… what’s next on your TBR list? What have you recently finished? Down in the bucket… you know what to do. And thanks for reading.

-mike

Suicide and Grace

Recently found a post (link removed per request) by a christian regarding suicide that called out strongly those in the Christian community who dared to show mercy and grace, empathy and understanding to those struggling with depression and thoughts of suicide.

The post didn’t seem to empathize at all with those wo struggle or the family members and friends left behind.

September was Suicide Awareness and Prevention Month and because it’s so fresh in my mind, I thought I’d comment on the post and attempt either a discussion or a redirection. Here’s my comment I left on the post.

“I lost a stepdaughter to suicide”
I’m so sorry for your loss. But I’m wondering if you are as vocal in your personal life as on the blog. Are you telling people that your step daughter is in hell? I know I wouldn’t be comfortable with saying that publically to people I know, know me, and know my step daughter. How do you interact with them regarding this loss?

Lets see if she wants to talk. Manwhile, what do you think about her stance and ho would you respond if confronted with the reality of a loved one choosing to end their own life? Would it make you question your presuppositions or your faith? And if you’ve had the experience, and you’re comfortable telling your story, the floor is yours. Thx

Here’s an article by the Randy Alcorn she’s talking about in her post. His thoughts and theology on the subject.

And… Now she deleted the comments on her post. Nice

-mike

Christians On Social Media

Great encouragement for amateur internet apologists everywhere. -mike

Navigating by Faith


Peter said, “but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense [apologia; apologetics] to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect.” (1 Peter 3:15)

This is the tenor and main point of the article, CHRISTIANS ARGUING WITH CHRISTIANS ON SOCIAL MEDIA: A REAL INTEREST IN THE SALVATION OF THE LOST?….

I encourage you to read it. I put it here that people would read it, and that I would be reminded of it and read it again myself.

It’s far to easy to say things on social media that we wouldn’t think of saying face to face with someone in conversation. If we are not responding to people with gentleness and respect, as Peter urges us, we are not responding in love. We might as well not respond at all.

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You know you’ve struck a chord.

I recently commented with a question regarding a Father’s POST on the Catholic abuse issue. His post was in answer or refutation of someone’s rather rude and profane comment from a previous post (perhaps?)

From the title of his post

Militant atheist: “F*** religious rights!” He asks about Jesus. Look Pope Francis!

Obviously, the person felt strongly, and so did the Father who wrote the Post in response.

My questions were more to where was/is God when the abuse was happening? I can’t copy and paste to show the exact wording, my two comments were deleted without explanation, so I will do my best to duplicate them here, opening the floor for discussion.

I first asked where God was and was He interested in stopping the abuse and protecting the children, rathe than just punishing the perps after death.

I guess both were very similar questions about whethr God was interested, willing or able to prevent the abuse in the first place.

I can understand why no answer. I would have been uncomfortable with the question myself when I was still a Christian. But the comments deleted… As if they were never asked… On a blog supposedly dedicated to… Answering questions and representing God’s mind on these things.

Of course I did ask, in two other deleted comments, why my two previous were deleted. They were not rude nor were they profane. They were just questions that the Father not only didn’t want to answer, but he also didn’t even want to acknowledge their being asked.

So… What would the answer be to my question? From both a Christian and a non-christian theist point of view.

Update 9/26/19

I was able to grab the comments still in moderation from 9/24

  1. My question would be where is god when all this abuse was (is) happening? Is He interested in stopping it, and protecting the children so it doesn’t happen, or just punishing the perps after death?

  2. If I saw someone being abused, especially a child, and could do something about it to stop the abuse in the first place, I would. Free will of the perp be darned. I’d stop it to protect the child. Why does God not seem able or willing to do the same?

He thought he’d be smart and post a separate POST without actually answering an of my previous questions.

Here are my comments to his second post.

  1. My comments didn’t go into moderation. You deleted them after they showed up on your post. I saw them one by one post, then I saw them one by one disappear. You should be honest.

  2. Oh. Now I see you didn’t fully delete them, you just took them to moderation. Where they still are on your original post. Days ago, your not holding them because you haven’t got to them. You’re just holding them. Be honest.

  3. Release the other comments to others can make a fair evaluation of both sides of the conversation

Here’s the deal with both posts

The Father is not being honest with my questions, he’s still not being honest with his answers, he’s not being honest in how he’s charachterized my questions or my posts and he hasn’t even been honest in how he hs labeled me an Atheist. He hasn’t asked, I didn’t offer, but he assumed that I am because I am no longer Christian, as if all non christians or former Christians are automatically in the Atheist bin.

By the way Father, I’m not an Atheist. Just no longer Christian, partly because of the type of responses I have received in the past like yous from Christians, ministers and apolgists like you to honest questions.

Update:

He’s still hiding my comments, and the second post received a comment from an “Aussiemom” that again misses the point. She an his readers should be allowed to see the whole story, but I guess he’s not really into that. I responded to the Aussiemom but again, its in moderation to hide me and my side. I post my response here as well.

“It’s not kind of you or the father to lable me as atheist when I’m not. Please visit my blog for the other side of the story on our ‘conversation'”

I encourage all to read the posts he did with my comments. What do you all think?

Update again 9/27/19

And now apparantly he’s removed the both the second and the first post altogether.

https://ariseletusbegoing.com/2019/09/26/atheist-meltdown-and-moderation/

I get a page not found when I go there. How about you?

Down in the bucket. You know what to do.

Two Believers Arguing about the Bible

Sadly, this could have been me. I was every bit as stubborn, foolish and ignorant in the face of intelligent, thoughtful and kind people who just disagreed with me.

I was a KJV, 6 days/6000yrs (certainly not more than ten), evolution denying bible totin’, chapter and verse spoutin’… arrogant S.O. a… God. They both understand and accept that they use circular reasoning about the belief that the Bible is the Word of God. The fact that Steven goes further down the Rabbit Hole to include the KJV Translation in his reasoning doesn’t negate that both are admitting and justifying their circular reasoning about the Bible in general.

If only James could take the logical consequences one step further… like I did.

-mike

Saturday Currently Reading: In Search of Paul

No, I’m also still reading Moby Dick

As some may know, I’m still very interested in almost all things Bible, Christian and theology. It’s hard to stop having an interest that you have carried on for decades. In recent years however I’ve taken to investigating history, archaeology, Texural criticism, and scientific endeavors as well and evaluating what I have believed in the past and what I believe now.

John Dominic Crossan is one of my teachers thru books in some of these subjects. I just started this morning a book he published in 2004 with archaeologist Jonathan L. Reed titled “In Search of Paul” on the Historical Apostle Paul and how his mission involved opposition to the Cult of Ceasar by promoting the equality of all, In Christ. In just the introduction and the first chapter, they have already managed to intrigue me in the juxtaposition of true Pauline writings in the New Testament to pseudo or false ones added or inserted later that sought to change or “edit” certain of his teachings for various reasons.

They are going to the places where Paul walked and worked, separating and discriminating as they go, to tell the story of the Historical Paul as closely as we can tell from actual history as opposed to just relying on shall we say… “cleverly devised tales” of him. This too is going to be a great read and a companion to Crossan’s book “The Historical Jesus” which is also on my shelf and which I read last year. Why not pick up a copy of either and read along with me.

-mike