When StrawMen are All you have

Why go to all this trouble NOT to support what YOU are claiming and to attack the opposite, hoping that it helps your case?

This meme was on the post but has been subsequently removed when I called him on his assertion that he got it from an “atheist website”.

((Correction: it wasn’t removed. I just didn’t see it. Mea culpa))

I searched the wording and didn’t find the meme or the wording anywhere, not even on the no gods no masters site listed on the bottom right of the pic.

There actually was an ad campaign by American Atheists awhile ago with similar wording “There’s probably no God…” And the rest was exactly the same.

(The “probably” matters because they weren’t claiming to know or believe, just that the question is irrelevant to their lives).

None of the memes found on the NGNM website match the wording that shows on this pic. So the meme with this wording on the post didn’t come from that website or any other website I could find.

And I got silence in response when I asked the blogger where he found it.

My guess is that it’s a doctored version of the ad or a meme avail from that website. Either way, this blogger or someone he got it from fabricated the meme here to match what they wanted to convey as the Atheist position.

Either way, it’s dishonest to missrepresent someone else’s position purely for Apologetics/Polemical purposes. If you want to be honest, you can do better.

A comment I left this morning on a Post that isn’t even trying to be fair or respectful of the other side of the conversation. Please read the post yourself for your own review. Sadly, it’s not a unique problem on wordpress with amateur internet apologists.

So many straw men in this post. Doesn’t even look like you’re trying to be objective here. I’m not atheist, but you should at least be fair with their actual positions.

His answer?

Kiabooks,

Thank you again for commenting.

Could you please show me a straw man in my post?

Could you please tell me what the atheist position is on cursing someone out?

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  • To start with, the meme pic you chose for a header. Atheist don’t claim “There is no God”, not do they “believe” there is no God.
    The rest of your post is an assertion that without belief in God, one cannot have a basis for moral behaviour or personal conduct.

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  • As for the atheist position on cursing people out? Not sure there is a general one. I’m not Atheist but I would suspect it’s individual and situational. For more than that you’d have to ask an atheist, rather than just make bold assertions. You clearly had no intention of doing anything but insulting them.

The point is, atheists don’t claim to know or even believe That God or Gods don’t exist. They just don’t believe.

The job of the evangelist or apologist is to demonstrate their claim that God exists and give evidence and reasons for others believing too. Not attack people for not believing.

If you want people to believe you… Do better and stop with the StrawMen.

-mike

For Ex-Swimmers Everywhere

In answer to a Comedian

“This has No true Scotsman fallacy written all over. You can parody the life experiences and history of honest people who have left Christianity if you like, but don’t think it’s an honest rebuttal or refutation at all.”
-mike

What is Truth?

“My loyalty lies with truth. Truth is that which conforms to reality and what can demonstrate to have the quality of truthfulness. If it’s not True, then it can not and should not be regarded as Truth.” -mike

I once thought I knew what Truth was.

I once thought… now there’s a funny one. In actually thinking, I discovered that What and even Who I thought Truth was… was not really Truth or True at all.

In thinking for myself and allowing myself the Freedom to question outside the lines and find answers that might equally be “out of bounds” I discovered that I had been hunkered down and comfortably chained of my own volition in a type of Plato’s Cave, interpreting the shadows on the walls within the framework of the traditions and worldviews of people who haven’t lived for centuries. Those who didn’t have access to the Evidence and means of searching for and obtaining that Evidence that we do today.

I walked away not only when I discovered these things, but after seeking out, listening to and considering what the best Apologists from “our side” had to answer about the questions and answers I was finding out. What I heard from “our side” was excuses, arrogant and rude dismissiveness, logical fallacies and misdirections, outright lies and misrepresentations. A “Whatever it takes” mentality and attitude at pushing the Evidence now being discovered away from me and those like me, and a condescending and personally insulting attempt to bully me back into the Cave, lest I suffer the consequences of Apostasy.

You see, in the final analysis… it wasn’t primarily Truth that finally made me willing to leave the comfort of the Cave. That of course provided the reasons. But in the final analysis, it was the Apologists and their dishonety in defending what they mus have known to be the indefensible, given the lengths they were willing to go, even to intentionally distorting and misrepresenting both the Truth and the Opposition, who pushed me out even as their efforts were dessigned to keep me in.

My Loyalty is to Truth, not just The Truth ™.

-mike