When do you first suspect or start to doubt Santa’s existence?
Should we still believe until Santa’s nonexistence can be conclusively proven?
Or should we disbelieve until such evidence for his existence in reality be demonstrated?
How in Santa’s North Pole would you even go about “conclusively proving” the nonexistence of something or someone anyway?
Would you be safe and sane living your life, making real life affecting decisions, and treating others accordingly… Voting in Public elections… as if Santa actually exists?
Would you feel justified mocking and deriding others who don’t believe and treating them harshly because of it?
Or rather… do you eventually grow up and safely assume Santa to be a useful and happy family myth, with no real world application past treating others with kindness and trying to live as Santa might want you to… if he were really real?
Do you still believe in the actual existence of Santa Claus even though you haven’t any real evidence or demonstration of his existence in the real world?
Or do you expect others to “prove” Santa doesn’t exist before you’ll “not believe” anymore?
I’m an A-Santa-ist. How about you?
Passing on what previous generations have said or believed is not Evidence. It’s a Claim… Hearsay.
They may indeed have said it. They may have believed it. Neither makes it automatically true. And the fact that they said it and/or believed doesn’t constitute Evidence for you to believe or say that it’s true either.
Question for the Group
Is it possible to believe something on sheer will to believe?
In the bucket down below. You know what to do.
“My loyalty lies with truth. Truth is that which conforms to reality and what can demonstrate to have the quality of truthfulness. If it’s not True, then it can not and should not be regarded as Truth.” -mike
I once thought I knew what Truth was.
I once thought… now there’s a funny one. In actually thinking, I discovered that What and even Who I thought Truth was… was not really Truth or True at all.
In thinking for myself and allowing myself the Freedom to question outside the lines and find answers that might equally be “out of bounds” I discovered that I had been hunkered down and comfortably chained of my own volition in a type of Plato’s Cave, interpreting the shadows on the walls within the framework of the traditions and worldviews of people who haven’t lived for centuries. Those who didn’t have access to the Evidence and means of searching for and obtaining that Evidence that we do today.
I walked away not only when I discovered these things, but after seeking out, listening to and considering what the best Apologists from “our side” had to answer about the questions and answers I was finding out. What I heard from “our side” was excuses, arrogant and rude dismissiveness, logical fallacies and misdirections, outright lies and misrepresentations. A “Whatever it takes” mentality and attitude at pushing the Evidence now being discovered away from me and those like me, and a condescending and personally insulting attempt to bully me back into the Cave, lest I suffer the consequences of Apostasy.
You see, in the final analysis… it wasn’t primarily Truth that finally made me willing to leave the comfort of the Cave. That of course provided the reasons. But in the final analysis, it was the Apologists and their dishonety in defending what they mus have known to be the indefensible, given the lengths they were willing to go, even to intentionally distorting and misrepresenting both the Truth and the Opposition, who pushed me out even as their efforts were dessigned to keep me in.
My Loyalty is to Truth, not just The Truth ™.